Third Battle of Panipat- A New Film

[vstol Jockey]

You don't need to explain to a person who gloats about lineage which vanished and whose country civilization Vanquished. He suffers from Stockholm syndrome, so gloats about Persians who don't exist now.

Exactly, he calls himself from a land which does not even recognise them as theirs. How funny can it be. Such people try and teach us who gave them shelter.

 

[vsdoc]

Thanks, this idiot doc is first one on my list.

Thank Ahura Mazda was little mercies.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Aravind]

Brahmins are forbidden to be killed or from the times vedic religion called sanatan Dharma came into being. even after over 10k years of our history we are just 5.5% of Indian population. far less than Shudras. why and how? Who were the only people who refused to convert or send their daughters to invaders or chose to fight? Only Brahmins. Parsis shitted in their pants as they did in Iran when islamists killed them.

You don't need to explain to a person who gloats about lineage which vanished and whose country civilization Vanquished. He suffers from Stockholm syndrome, so gloats about Persians who don't exist now.

99% of Parshis I know have more than one mentally retarded person at home due to inbreeding. The rest of the families have drug addicts to take care of.

Most of them are nice people, they mind their business, i guess some INC loyalists can't fathom a HInfutva party rule.

 

[Pundrick]

Tell me one Hindu king who had desired to be king of Delhi after Rao Hemu who did not get supported by rest of Hindu Kings? Every rajput king was a traitor to say the least. I agree with the statements made by Javed Akhtar when he stated that every Rajput king was serving the invaders.

Javed is not wrong, the "Hindu Identity" only came into existence when Britishers wanted to divide the society between Hindu & Muslims. So before 1905 AD there was hardly any Hindu vs Muslim identity issues, yes some kings did fought on religious lines, but it was prevalent in the society.

Maratha never knew whether they are Hindu or not. They did fought in the name of Bhagwan Shiva but if they wanted true Hindu Rashtra, the first thing they should have done is not to attack the other Hindu kingdom, but they often attacked Gujarat, Bundelkhand, Jaats, Malwa, etc only for money. Their intention was very simple, to rule as much land as they can and get Chauth & Sarsedhmukhi i.e. Taxes.

Their only mistake in 3rd battle of Panipat was, they meddled in others problem without being prepared for the consequences. Maratha could have won the battle but they didn't because this was unplanned and their supply was cut down by the Afghans and obviously there was internal rift between the Peshwa brothers as well.

 

[Pundrick]

99% of Parshis I know have more than one mentally retarded person at home due to inbreeding. The rest of the families have drug addicts to take care of.

So Ratan Tata is either retarded or drugged.
C'mon sir watch your language.

 

[Aravind]

100% of the bammans I know are manipulative and gutless.

Forget straight up confrontation. They are too diplomatic to really take a stand one way or the other.

I don't know if it's Varna or what it is.

But really to have such a people at the top of your society is pretty dysfunctional.

Speaking purely as an outsider here ....

Cheers, Doc

Your agenda is noted, now can you please let the stakeholders and people to whom it matters discuss this thread?
Parsis are not too great either so don't be ' holier than thou ', sorry to be blunt, i must say Parsis came as refugees to Bharat, Brahmins didn't go to Persia as Refugees, Capiche?

 

[vsdoc]

Your agenda is noted, now can you please let the stakeholders and people to whom it matters discuss this thread?
Parsis are not too great either so don't be ' holier than thou ', sorry to be blunt, i must say Parsis came as refugees to Bharat, Brahmins didn't go to Persia as Refugees, Capiche?

You are not very bright for a doctor are you?

Your Vedic bammans we're the ones who broke away from the warrior priest Athrvan.

And sometime in the next 5000 years misplaced the brass ones they used to have.

Cheers, Doc

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

@vsdoc Whom do you Blame for the Panipat defeat

 

[vsdoc]

@vsdoc Whom do you Blame for the Panipat defeat

I've already said so in my first post on this thread.

We recocnise the butthurt of north Indians. It is a difficult burden to live with.

At least the Bengalis and other conspirators are more subtle about it on pan Indian forums.

Cheers, Doc

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

I've already said so in my first post on this thread.

We recocnise the butthurt of north Indians. It is a difficult burden to live with.

At least the Bengalis and other conspirators are more subtle about it on pan Indian forums.

Cheers, Doc

I read your Post but I am confused

What are you trying to say

Could you please be more specific

 

[vsdoc]

I read your Post but I am confused

What are you trying to say

Could you please be more specific

Sorry I don't want to play this game now.

Tired, bid day at work tomorrow.

Don't mind small loser groups painting stories.

But on an Indian forum if you go up against my people, you find a Persian backing away from a fight.

And definitely not from a bammans northie.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Aravind]

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You are not very bright for a doctor are you?

Your Vedic bammans we're the ones who broke away from the warrior priest Athrvan.

And sometime in the next 5000 years misplaced the brass ones they used to have.

Cheers, Doc

You are telling me about our Hindu history? its funny because the ones beyond borders of Saraswati were called Mlecchas as they were banished
Yayati - Wikipedia
The invocations in sanskrit even today describe the borders of Bharat and who were the Bharatis' and where we live as of today to our ancient borders.
We use them whenever we do Havan or a Puja.
' Meru,Dakshina dikhbhage ,Srisaila Esanya pradeshe,krishna nadi Sameepa ' something like this.

After Kauravas were defeated, their remaining kin ' Dushala' went west and were later called Mlecchas.

You call Devas as demons and worship the Asuras as good' therein tells me who were bharatis and Mlecchas ( who didn't follow proper dharma and vedic rituals)

I know my history well, it is still kept alive in our everday shlokas of sanskrit.

 

[Aravind]

I read your Post but I am confused

What are you trying to say

Could you please be more specific

He's trying to put Aryans VS Dravidians, North India VS South India, now its Marathas VS Brahmins ,jats,rajputs etc. While claiming to be a Maratha, LOL
Frustrated that his agenda of divide and rule is not working anymore, he must be somehow related to 'Shakuni' Mama from Mahabharata.

 

[suryakiran]

In 1780, Aurangzeb signed a a deal with Mewar to let Mongol forces transit thru their kingdom. What forced him to do that when he had a very secure line thru delhi and Agra? Did this not make even Mewar an accomplice in a war against Marathas and Jaats who were fighting Mongols right under their nose in Delhi-Agra belt much before Sikhs came to the scene? The Marathas cheated this entire nation when they decided to support Mongol rulers as head of india. I would like to see who denies this with facts. Marathas are directly responsible for the arrival of British as our rulers when we had thrown out Mongols and also for defeat in 1857 as the Holkars were the first ones to sign in with East India Company in 1805.

Tell me one Hindu king who had desired to be king of Delhi after Rao Hemu who did not get supported by rest of Hindu Kings? Every rajput king was a traitor to say the least. I agree with the statements made by Javed Akhtar when he stated that every Rajput king was serving the invaders.

Again, what is it with Delhi? It is GREAT for you in the north. For the Marathas, it was Pune, Kolhapur and Solapur. For the people from the South it was Madurai, Mysore and Travancore. Delhi was a distant location. Delhi was the seat of an opponent. That's all it was for them.

The Marathas cheated who? Which nation? India? Hell, they created and unified this country, more than any Surjamal or Rajput. Overlying current geographical boundaries on something 400 years back is complete intellectual dishonesty. The last 'Hindu' Empire was the Maratha empire. Comparing Rajput, Jat or Hemu to the Maratha Empire, like I said earlier is laughable.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

In my view the Marathas expanded very rapidly after Aurangzeb's death

They even reached Attock ; so naturally the Afghans must have been planning revenge

They should have waited for some time for consolidation before taking on Afghans directly

Panipat was a Logistics disaster ; it was also an avoidable battle since Marathas were
on their own having antagonised all other Indian Kingdoms

 

[suryakiran]

He's trying to put Aryans VS Dravidians, North India VS South India, now its Marathas VS Brahmins ,jats,rajputs etc. While claiming to be a Maratha, LOL
Frustrated that his agenda of divide and rule is not working anymore, he must be somehow related to 'Shakuni' Mama from Mahabharata.

He is not. He is simply factually stating what is true. When vstol talks about the Third Battle of Panipat, he is talking utter rubbish. This line of thinking is reflective of people from the north of India, for whom history of India is Delhi.

 

[suryakiran]

Could Jaats have made a difference to the battle outcome? After all Jaat cavalry comprised just about 8000 soldiers?

So they don't do battle? They back out of the fight? This logic flows against the logic you use.

 

[suryakiran]

Just wait and watch how a new narrative will come out painting Marathas as villains and muslims as saints.

And here I agree with you. And the problem here is caste. Let's leave it at that.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Over confidence and Short sightedness

However Panipat defeat was still used as a lesson in 1965 war ( R D Pradhan Book )
Where Indian Army basically fought a defensive war of attrition

And did nt allow Pakistan to break through

 

[Aravind]

He is not. He is simply factually stating what is true. When vstol talks about the Third Battle of Panipat, he is talking utter rubbish. This line of thinking is reflective of people from the north of India, for whom history of India is Delhi.

He talks that way. i understand him, he was goading Itachii against North India, Modi etc. when AP was cribbing about special status, he was cheerleading Gaynextdoor, he himself stated his agenda was to divided Hindus and make sure Congress and Sickulars come to power. Are you that naive to fall into his propaganda? he is no Hindu forget about being a Maratha, always gloats about Bharatis being sub par to his so called 'Persians' . Well it was not Bharatis who sought refuge in Persia did they?

There are many factors you need to look at all POV's one factor was deployment of Rohilla spearmen who were deployed as rear guard reserves, when the Muslim armies fell to cannon fire, the shouts of jihad caused them to attack the Maratha Army from rear, which resulted in chaos and confusion, till then the Marathas were routing Afghans .

The same mistake was committed by Rama Raya of Vijayanagara Empire, he employed 2 Muslim troops with Generals ,they attacked from rear causing confusion leading to fall of Vijayanagara Empire during 'Battle of Tallikota'.

What lesson did you learn from history?