Military Mediocrity - Who Will Bell the Cat?

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Sometimes back I was wondering what ails the Indian fighting muscle and will -- or lack there of. The obvious answer was Dabba-wallas of south bloc. There were quips that its not just Babus but military also has it equal share of NPAs. This article by Guruswamy gives a glimpse into the contagious disease of Dabbas. Its like Agent Smith of matrix, once it infects you it turns you into a Dabba-Walla. No one is immune to it, especially the very models of the modern (Indian?) major generals.

My own opinion is that the lack of war makes Indian Military a welcoming host for this malady. Why to seek competence when incompetent but glib will suffice? Chalta hai na?

Without further ado, the article itself!
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Military Mediocrity - Who Will Bell the Cat?

Tribal loyalties?

In his seminal “On the Psychology of Military Incompetence” Norman Dixon poses the questions: “How, if they are so lacking in intelligence, do people become senior military commanders? And what is it about military organizations that they should attract, promote and ultimately tolerate those whose performance at the highest levels bring opprobrium upon the organizations they represent?”

Fortunately we have not had a major war in recent times to test the mettle of our commanders. But even in peacetime many have, unfortunately, managed by their acts of omission and commission to bring opprobrium to our military.

The upper echelons of India’s military are now visibly dense with obviously incompetent and uninspiring leaders, who invariably KAed their way to good ACR's year after year. They then go about expecting the same from their subordinates, and get it in plenty. Outstanding officers with a strong individuality and intellectual curiosity get culled in this way by the stubborn seniority system, adopted from the bureaucracy.

The Indian military, like many others, doesn’t appreciate standout talent and personality, and prefers an uniform grayness. The system beats out the commander and dashing leader in an officer often before he becomes a general. We will never study this, as if this opaque system of evaluation is a military secret.

Younger officers in western militaries often challenge mediocrity and are willing to run into their swords for this. Have we any serving officer who will write on this? No, I don’t think so. I recall an officer serving at the Army War College who wrote a fine study of the reorganization of the PLA into theatre commands and what it implies for the Indian military. He wanted my comments.

I made a few minor suggestions and urged him to publish his paper in the War College's Journal. He desisted and bluntly told me his superiors will take it amiss. It was ACR time and time to pick up a star.

Even those who are retired seem to have deep tribal loyalties. Tribal loyalty is very different from institutional loyalty.

"It was not always this way, Thomas Ricks has argued in his book "The Generals: American Military Command from World War II to Today" that the US military used to expect its generals to fail. In the Second World War, the US Army fired sixteen division commanders and at least five corps commanders. The British Army fired generals Wavell, Auchinleck, Cunningham and Ritchie in North Africa alone. Many were given second chances.

Somewhere along the way this tradition has lost. Ricks writes: "To a shocking degree, the [US] Army’s leadership ranks have become populated by mediocre officers, placed in positions where they are likely to fail. Success goes unrewarded, and everything but the most extreme failure goes unpunished, creating a perverse incentive system that drives leaders toward a risk-averse middle where they are more likely to find stalemate than victory."

At least the Americans have started the debate. In 2007, Lt. Col. Paul Yingling published an absolutely blistering, full-frontal assault on American generals entitled “A failure in generalship”. In it he challenged the US Army for producing generals with insufficient education, language skills, creativity and moral courage. He attacked the general officer promotion system as fundamentally flawed. His core argument was clear: “Our generals are not worthy of their soldiers”. Amazingly, the article – by a serving officer – was published in the Armed Forces Journal. Less surprisingly, Yingling is now a high school teacher. Can anyone imagine an India Army officer writing such an article, or the Army War College Journal publishing it?

Thomas Ricks further writes: "We often think of the military with a culture of clear accountability. This is only really true for lower ranks. In contrast, there is absolutely no question that if the British Army were a listed company (heaven forbid), a slew of generals would have been kicked out of theatre early. Boards of directors have very little patience for poor performance, and regularly give CEOs months rather than years to prove themselves. Recent examples include GM (four CEOs in eighteen months) and Hewlett-Packard (five CEOs in six years). In fact as many as a third of CEO departures are due to poor performance."

This begs the question, must all officers be promoted to their levels of incompetence? Once at the Farnborough Air Show, I ran into a serving RAF pilot who looked well into his middle years and was still a Wing Commander. He was flying an aircraft on show. When he saw the surprise writ on my face, he explained that he loved flying and hence to keep doing that he opted out of vying for higher command. His juniors wear stars but he prefers to see the stars from close up. He made his choice but many more get passed over and serve under course mates or juniors. Heavens don't fall when this happens.

Dwight Eisenhower became a brigadier general in September 1941. In December 1943 he was appointed as the Supreme Allied Commander in Europe. In January 1944 he also assumed command of the North Africa Theater and was re-designated as Supreme Allied Commander of the Allied Expeditionary Force (SHAEF) making him overlord of all allied forces in the West. He was also promoted to General of the Army, the US equivalent of Field Marshal. As SHAEF he was the master and commander of famous generals like Bradley, Patton, Montgomery and Alanbrooke.

Their views about Eisenhower were interesting. Montgomery said: “nice chap, no general.” Patton wrote: “its too bad Ike had no personal knowledge of war.” But Ike organized the greatest amphibious landing in history and oversaw the defeat of Nazi Germany in Africa and Europe. Not even Zhukov or Rokossovsky commanded such huge forces operating simultaneously in many sectors. Eisenhower went on to become POTUS and when laying down office after two terms warned his fellow countrymen against the growing power of the “military industrial complex.” Our problem is that the complexity of military organization eludes our leaders and the subject has become another sacred cow, despite there being no military industrial complex worth the name.

Nearer home William Slim was a brigadier doing a staff job in the Indian Army in Basra in 1941. He was fortuitously appointed GOC of the 10th Infantry Division in the middle east and his performance led to him becoming GOC of the 14th Army headquarter in Imphal. Here he led it to what is now arguably the Second Great War's greatest military victory. Interestingly enough he still held the official rank of Colonel with the wartime rank of Major General and temporary rank of Lieutenant General. He later became Field Marshal and Chief of the Imperial General Staff. The only Indian Army officer to become CIGS.

In 1965 an Indian GOC went to war with his briefcase containing papers pertaining to his passing over for promotion. In the face of a Pakistani counter-attack he withdrew in haste from his forward position on the Ichogil canal leaving behind his briefcase. The Pakistani’s gleefully read the out the contents of his gripe over being passed over on Radio Pakistan. In 1971 an IAF pilot (later an Air Marshal) landed his Gnat in a Pakistani airfield, but that didn’t stall his climb to higher command.

Sometimes fate intervenes is strange ways. In 1962 Maj.Gen. Sam Manekshaw, then Commandant of DSSC, Wellington, was being tried for insubordination by a gang up of ambititious brother generals and shady politicians. We must thank the Chinese for routing the Menond, Kauls, Thapars and Palits.

On November, 20 1962, Maneckshaw was given his third star and the routed 4th Corps in NEFA. His first order was: "Gentlemen, I have arrived and there will be no withdrawal without written orders and these orders shall never be issued". In 1967, as the Eastern Army Commander he oversaw the PLA get a shellacking at Nathula. In 1971 his army took the biggest surrender of the post WW2 era. It didn't take much longer for the military, bureaucratic and political hierarchies to go back to their old ways.

Clearly we need to separate the wheat from the chaff in time before it becomes expensive. As wars become shorter we can ill afford to test our generals in war. We have to do it well ahead and be ready for war.

The nation cannot afford the military to be a bureaucracy where even the undeserving rise. The solution to this can come only from within the military. The politician is not interested. The bureaucrats will just bring more of their ideas, which could be fatal. The military must look within it and encourage the looking. But who will bell the cat?
 
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Most of the people writing such articles are usually the one who have personal or financial grudges against the government or military or are just serving vested interest. Latest ladakh standoff has brought all these lobbyists in open.... specially Chinese as well as American.
 
Most of the people writing such articles are usually the one who have personal & financial grudges against the government or military or are just serving vested interest. Latest ladakh standoff has brought all these lobbyists in open.... specially Chinese as well as American.
IMO Heavy politicisation is the main culprit behind it. Earlier people with only one kind of people were nurtured and promoted. Those with opposing view, didn’t have any voice. Now there is clear divide between two kind.
 
Most of the people writing such articles are usually the one who have personal or financial grudges against the government or military or are just serving vested interest. Latest ladakh standoff has brought all these lobbyists in open.... specially Chinese as well as American.
Well, given that we have seen the inordinate delays in induction of weapons and strange and contradictory requirements raised by armed forces for its weapons (7.62 -> 5.56 -> 7.62), it makes sense to see why is such an issue is happening. Its Dabba all the way which is holding the defence capabilities back but there are people from military who have adopted the Dabba creed.
 
Most of the people writing such articles are usually the one who have personal or financial grudges against the government or military or are just serving vested interest. Latest ladakh standoff has brought all these lobbyists in open.... specially Chinese as well as American.
There is some truth in what he says. We cant just brush away everything as vested interest. Fact is just like every other profession military too needs practice a.k.a war without which it is just theories & views. A good example is our counter terrorism which has grown leaps & bounds from 1990's when we were caught totally flat footed. It took us over a decade to hone our skills , gain experience and build up a effective strategy for fighting terrorists.

My own opinion is that the lack of war makes Indian Military a welcoming host for this malady. Why to seek competence when incompetent but glib will suffice? Chalta hai na?
Most countries like US & European countries constantly test their weapons, hone their war fighting skills by fighting wars or being deployed in hot spots. around the world. We on the other hand are just content with war gaming/exercises or simulating stuff which hardly is a substitute for real experience. India should step out and send forces tactically to gain experience else where instead of waiting for things to happen. This would be especially useful for special forces to gauge how good they are and improve themselves. Obviously there will be some peace-nik idiots who will be aghast that such a move will go against our values & principles.

This lack of real experience shows up in many ways like when we shoot down our own helo's ( not following the due procedure) / pilot just deciding to fly across the border or losing garud commandos during airbase attack by terrorists. Sadly without much challenges military has just become another govt dept where ppl can spend time and retire. Our next gen officers in military might know only text book theories and only thing that might differentiate them from our other babu's in govt might be their physical fitness.
 
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Well, given that we have seen the inordinate delays in induction of weapons and strange and contradictory requirements raised by armed forces for its weapons (7.62 -> 5.56 -> 7.62), it makes sense to see why is such an issue is happening. Its Dabba all the way which is holding the defence capabilities back but there are people from military who have adopted the Dabba creed.

Not at all. The army's thinking like a superpower, to fit the weapon to the doctrine. In the case of the assault rifle, they simply thought a bit too far ahead.

FRCV is the same, it's being designed to fit the doctrine, hence it's facing a lot of criticism.

The article is of vested interests, by vested interests, for the gullible. But it's a real eye-opener to the extent the vested interests will go to in order to vilify the military. So thanks for sharing. Just goes to show how dangerous these vested interests really are.
 
There is some truth in what he says. We cant just brush away everything as vested interest. Fact is just like every other profession military too needs practice a.k.a war without which it is just theories & views. A good example is our counter terrorism which has grown leaps & bounds from 1990's when we were caught totally flat footed. It took us over a decade to hone our skills , gain experience and build up a effective strategy for fighting terrorists.


Most countries like US & European countries constantly test their weapons, hone their war fighting skills by fighting wars or being deployed in hot spots. around the world. We on the other hand are just content with war gaming/exercises or simulating stuff which hardly is a substitute for real experience. India should step out and send forces tactically to gain experience else where instead of waiting for things to happen. This would be especially useful for special forces to gauge how good they are and improve themselves. Obviously there will be some peace-nik idiots who will be aghast that such a move will go against our values & principles.

This lack of real experience shows up in many ways like when we shoot down our own helo's ( not following the due procedure) / pilot just deciding to fly across the border or losing garud commandos during airbase attack by terrorists. Sadly without much challenges military has just become another govt dept where ppl can spend time and retire. Our next gen officers in military might know only text book theories and only thing that might differentiate them from our other babu's in govt might be their physical fitness.

The article is really bad.

And a lot of problems we are facing has a lot to do with money than anything else.

We can't send forces out to fight wars elsewhere when we are already facing war at home. If we permanently take out Pakistan as a threat over the next 10 years while simultaneously building our muscle as our economy grows, then we can do what you say. As I've stated plenty of times before, war is for the rich. Of course, war is also for the desperate. But we are neither rich nor desperate.
 
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As I've stated plenty of times before, war is for the rich. Of course, war is also for the desperate. But we are neither rich nor desperate

Perfect answer

We will have to explain the Hundreds of Casualties of our Soldiers to our people
In case we start Kinetic Action now

Add to it the Miserable economic condition at present , Millions are losing jobs , Tax collection is doomed

Our people are willing to sacrifice Only if we are attacked

The Pangong Tso F4 does NOT have any
Such sentimental value for our masses
 
Perfect answer

We will have to explain the Hundreds of Casualties of our Soldiers to our people
In case we start Kinetic Action now

Add to it the Miserable economic condition at present , Millions are losing jobs , Tax collection is doomed

Our people are willing to sacrifice Only if we are attacked

The Pangong Tso F4 does NOT have any
Such sentimental value for our masses

Yeah, with the economy in a tailspin, there's nothing realistic the govt can do to force the Chinese back except talks, talks and more talks. The good news is 80% of the pre-COVID demand is back. The bad news is it's nowhere enough, since we need more than 100% back if we are to go back to positive growth, and when that's gonna happen is anyone's guess.
 
As I've stated plenty of times before, war is for the rich.
Lemme ask you one thing. Do you believe USA of 1938 was WAY richer than India of today? GDP PPP per Capita of USA at that point of time, when expressed in inflation adjusted dollars of 2011 was some 8500-9000 (Courtsey Maddison Project). India's current GDP PPP Per Capita of today is 6500-7000 in 2011 inflation adjusted dollars. Indian government of today has way more funds available (inflation adjusted) than what US of 1938 had. Socio Economic parameters of India TODAY are higher than USA of 1938-40 (Life expectency, education etc).

And YET USA of that time went to war with axis powers in 1938-40.

The upshot is this : You go to war when you are threatened. This entire rich poor philosophy is bullshit. If you live in a troubled neighborhood like India does, you should be preparing for war everyday and the best way is to face the conflict head on.
 
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Yeah, with the economy in a tailspin, there's nothing realistic the govt can do to force the Chinese back except talks, talks and more talks.
Another bullshit. You don't fight skirmishes with economy. You fight them with weapons, ammunition store that are available.

We cann't fight chinese because we let our weapon store run empty. We let incompetent rent-seeking morons to take over our security affairs. Remember, all this when India was having third largest defence budget. India was the biggest importer of weapons. And yet we take more time to purchase weapons platform than most countries take to develop one. This is no poverty, this is incompetence and poverty is no excuse for incompetence.

All this economy bullshit is coverup. We never prepared for war in earnest since forever. We wasted time and money in doing dances like MMRCA instead of arranging military equipment and training forces. We inducted worthless weapons like Su-30 MKI with outdated weapons like R-77 of 1990. Proof? We had to do emergency purchases just after a one day skirmish in 2019.

Leave China, India is not even prepared to fight Pakistan. And that country is one tenth of our economic size.

Cost of NOT fighting a war today is always higher if you have incompetents in your leadership.
Yeah, with the economy in a tailspin, there's nothing realistic the govt can do to force the Chinese back except talks, talks and more talks. The good news is 80% of the pre-COVID demand is back. The bad news is it's nowhere enough, since we need more than 100% back if we are to go back to positive growth, and when that's gonna happen is anyone's guess.
Was there Covid in 2019 as well? When Pakistan blew IAF out of the sky?
 
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We can't send forces out to fight wars elsewhere when we are already facing war at home
There is no need to send forces to fight wars else where, we have enough in our neighborhood. Send to fight Pakistan for instance. Doesn't happen, right?
 
We will have to explain the Hundreds of Casualties of our Soldiers to our people
In case we start Kinetic Action now
Well, in next 10 years you will have to explain deaths of millions in case of a war with China and Pakistan then. What will you do then?
The explanation is actually very simple : There has not been an iota of planned preparation. Its all emergency purchases.
 
Add to it the Miserable economic condition at present , Millions are losing jobs , Tax collection is doomed
You don't fight wars on present economy. You fight wars on past economies. This is because wars these days are short and intense. For past 15 years or so the economy has been growing above 6-7%. Why the heck we are not ready for a short and intense war then? We had 3rd largest defence budget, is it all waste? Economy Shiconomy is all bullshit. The leadership trinity has never been serious about defending the damn nation.
 
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Not at all. The army's thinking like a superpower, to fit the weapon to the doctrine. In the case of the assault rifle, they simply thought a bit too far ahead.
I don't know where you get this idea from but the Army whose primary weapon has been INSAS cannot think like super power. No siree! And when they start prefering AK-47s captured from terrorists over the standard issue INSAS, you know something went missing in the design, manufacturing, QC or operation of the weapon. No it is not thinking like a super power. It did monkey see monkey do in 80 and that didn't work well for them. The 5.56 caliber simply didn't have enough stopping power for counter terror operations and add INSANE design of INSAS on top there is no superpower left.

Heck, many in army wanted their SLRs from 50s back. Yeah its that bad.
 
We can't send forces out to fight wars elsewhere when we are already facing war at home.
we are not going to be sending thousands of men & material but few squads of 50 ppl or less. Idea is to feel , understand and learn things where war is being fought.
 
As I've stated plenty of times before, war is for the rich. Of course, war is also for the desperate. But we are neither rich nor desperate.
If we dont fight a war we will end up in a desperate situation and forced to fight one. Being pro active is better than being forced to fight one when we are not ready.
Wars are not fought for fun but to gain power & resources through which they gain more prosperity. Not fighting a war indicates that we are not brave enuf to defend our interests.
 
Perfect answer

We will have to explain the Hundreds of Casualties of our Soldiers to our people
In case we start Kinetic Action now

Add to it the Miserable economic condition at present , Millions are losing jobs , Tax collection is doomed

Our people are willing to sacrifice Only if we are attacked

The Pangong Tso F4 does NOT have any
Such sentimental value for our masses
You want to become powerful & prosperous by not making any sacrifice, gud luck with that.
There is always risk , loss, gains....etc ever heard of the saying fortune favors the brave?

Millions will lose jobs or even die out of poverty, whether we fight war or not. If you wait till the situation gets out of hand and get attacked , it means you have lost half the battle. Now you are forced fight on enemies terms.

The question is not about "pangsong or arunachal" they are just the indication of what things lie ahead. They simply want to out muscle us and gain resources for themselves. The battle is not just being in himalayas but also in sri lanka, bangladesh, djibouti ...etc. Very soon their companies will capture the market & economy of the countries they influence. Our trade will suffer and economic growth will be hit. You are not simply seeing the big picture. Ladakh is crucial for china as it has highway connecting to tibet with lot of resources. If our socialist PM nehru had some brain we would have been exploiting those resources instead of china. Cheap resources would help us compete better and help grow economy faster.