Why have ‘liberals’ reduced themselves to being anti-nationals?

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“Pakistan did not kill my father, war killed him”… remember this forgettable quote by a young ‘liberal’ from Delhi? Well it so happens that her mentor went a step further and tweeted this:

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What great army? the one that lost so many wars? the one that does corruption in the food of soldiers? the one that has to buy weapons from other countries instead of innovating its own? https://twitter.com/indiantweeter/status/951338281391632385 …
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Even though it was appalling, still it made me think twice about the definition of the word “liberal” which I was taught during school days. Does being a liberal means you need to continuously poke your own country, its culture, its organizations? Calling spade a spade is justified but denouncing your own army and indirectly calling it a loser. Is this a new mantra we need to learn to be classified as a “liberal”?

With these disturbing thoughts, I searched for the meaning of this world and to my surprise it was same as what i was taught as a kid:

“open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values.”

Dictionary says you need to discard traditional values but unfortunately many of our front runners in the Indian leftist version of liberalism have replaced “traditional values” with “nationalistic values”. Whatever is national, whatever invokes nationalism, discard it and that’s how you join the left-liberal gang.

Way back in April 2016, a directive from HRD ministry was sent out to all educational institutions instructing them to host tri-colour as a mark of respect to the national flag. Panelists on various new channels debated against this directive and some even went on to the extent of saying that this will provoke nationalistic extremism.

The totally heart wrenching moment was when during one such heated debate Major General G.D. Bkashi broke down into tears. Leftist liberals must have celebrated that moment as a victory of their version of liberalism over nationalism, but the fact remains that, the moment an army veteran broke down to tears due to a debate over tri-color, we as a society should have pondered over the most pitiful political discourse which our country was heading into.

End of the day its us, the ordinary citizens who are to be blamed for promoting such a narrative. Why on earth should nationalism be even a agenda driven by political parties during an election? Why must we, the voters, let political parties tell us what nationalism is? And above all, why must a right-winger’s nationalism be different from the liberal’s nationalism, especially in a country where the problems at the grass root level are still prominent?

Nationalism being dragged into the mainstream political discourse is simply due to the inability of the ruling party to defend themselves on the count of solutions they have offered for tackling social and economic issues. On the other hand, opposition has nothing to offer when it comes to social issues.

Quite evidently they don’t have much of a leverage in tackling these issues given their track record of past 70 years, so obviously they don’t want to go deep into any constructive discussion around the prominent problems of our society. They are simply afraid of the rhetoric they may have to face if they ever touch these sensitive topics. So for the sake of opposition they simply oppose whatever is thrown at them by the ruling party which in this case is Nationalism.

Everyday a new term is being coined by liberals, the most absurd one being “Hyper Nationalism” which it seems, has been picked up from an English grammar example of a superlative adjective. I’m pretty sure that there is a term “Moderate Nationalism” as well to fill up for comparative adjective and the famous example of “Moderate Nationalism” for Liberals I am sure is “bharat tere tukde honge inshaallah…inshaallah”.
 
Indian psuedo-Liberals all unite on some topics like denigrating Indian army, supporting anti-nationals and "Bharat ke tukde-tukde Insha allah Insha allah" crowds. But they will fail as Indians are getting more nationalists after seeing just anti-national activities and supporters.
 
Commies are NOT liberal under any definition of the word. They believe in use of bloodshed to gain power and once in power suspend all civilian liberties and run oppressive genicidal regimes.

They also do not believe in the concept of a modern nation state, hence expecting them to be patriotic or nationalistic is futile.

Essentially commie and even islamists have usurped the term liberal. This should be fought in public perception first. Saying liberals are bad is self defeating as the idea of india is essentially liberal and inclusive.
 
First of all, every citizen has a right to air his or her views. You may not like them. A society must have space for everyone to air his or her views - ranging from left wing fruitcakes like Arundhati Roy to right wing lunatics like old man from the Karni Sena running amok on all channels. Once they cross the line and engage in violence or do fan flames which lead to violence, then they must be dealt with by the law. Being anti BJP is not being anti Indians.
 
What else do you expect when Admins themselves are involved in this, this place will stay the same or get worse as Admins will infract and ban people in a fight by taking sides of their commie and jihadi friends.

You can check out my thread on this topic which was promptly closed but other stupid threads are encouraged: This forum has become a Anti-BJP, Anti-Modi, left-wing Propaganda tool.
The mere fact this thread is allowed shows tolerance by admin. Your aim with the aid of your man friends is to create a platform to ridicule views that you and your associates hold. You can’t tolerate Muslims even though there are millions of Muslims in India - you can’t tolerate people speaking out against Modi. You want to be able to abuse religion and other members. You don’t want to have a forum to discuss - you want a forum to vindicate your one track views - and blame it on the Liberals. Pathetically transparent.
 
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“Pakistan did not kill my father, war killed him”… remember this forgettable quote by a young ‘liberal’ from Delhi? Well it so happens that her mentor went a step further and tweeted this:


What great army? the one that lost so many wars? the one that does corruption in the food of soldiers? the one that has to buy weapons from other countries instead of innovating its own? https://twitter.com/indiantweeter/status/951338281391632385 …


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Even though it was appalling, still it made me think twice about the definition of the word “liberal” which I was taught during school days. Does being a liberal means you need to continuously poke your own country, its culture, its organizations? Calling spade a spade is justified but denouncing your own army and indirectly calling it a loser. Is this a new mantra we need to learn to be classified as a “liberal”?

With these disturbing thoughts, I searched for the meaning of this world and to my surprise it was same as what i was taught as a kid:

“open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values.”

Dictionary says you need to discard traditional values but unfortunately many of our front runners in the Indian leftist version of liberalism have replaced “traditional values” with “nationalistic values”. Whatever is national, whatever invokes nationalism, discard it and that’s how you join the left-liberal gang.

Way back in April 2016, a directive from HRD ministry was sent out to all educational institutions instructing them to host tri-colour as a mark of respect to the national flag. Panelists on various new channels debated against this directive and some even went on to the extent of saying that this will provoke nationalistic extremism.

The totally heart wrenching moment was when during one such heated debate Major General G.D. Bkashi broke down into tears. Leftist liberals must have celebrated that moment as a victory of their version of liberalism over nationalism, but the fact remains that, the moment an army veteran broke down to tears due to a debate over tri-color, we as a society should have pondered over the most pitiful political discourse which our country was heading into.

End of the day its us, the ordinary citizens who are to be blamed for promoting such a narrative. Why on earth should nationalism be even a agenda driven by political parties during an election? Why must we, the voters, let political parties tell us what nationalism is? And above all, why must a right-winger’s nationalism be different from the liberal’s nationalism, especially in a country where the problems at the grass root level are still prominent?

Nationalism being dragged into the mainstream political discourse is simply due to the inability of the ruling party to defend themselves on the count of solutions they have offered for tackling social and economic issues. On the other hand, opposition has nothing to offer when it comes to social issues.

Quite evidently they don’t have much of a leverage in tackling these issues given their track record of past 70 years, so obviously they don’t want to go deep into any constructive discussion around the prominent problems of our society. They are simply afraid of the rhetoric they may have to face if they ever touch these sensitive topics. So for the sake of opposition they simply oppose whatever is thrown at them by the ruling party which in this case is Nationalism.

Everyday a new term is being coined by liberals, the most absurd one being “Hyper Nationalism” which it seems, has been picked up from an English grammar example of a superlative adjective. I’m pretty sure that there is a term “Moderate Nationalism” as well to fill up for comparative adjective and the famous example of “Moderate Nationalism” for Liberals I am sure is “bharat tere tukde honge inshaallah…inshaallah”.

These are mostly ultra leftists/urban naxals, Islamists, separatists, etc. They always existed as a minority but never got the limelight, what has changed now is that the main opposition party is facing a leadership crisis, facing an existential threat, and making the mistake of clutching onto any anti-government voice out of sheer insecurity and desperation. And it is doing more harm to the Congress itself.
 
What else do you expect when Admins themselves are involved in this, this place will stay the same or get worse as Admins will infract and ban people in a fight by taking sides of their commie and jihadi friends.

You can check out my thread on this topic which was promptly closed but other stupid threads are encouraged: This forum has become a Anti-BJP, Anti-Modi, left-wing Propaganda tool.
I just hope this site doesn't turn into r/india where Sickular/Libtard voices have largely drained out all sanity.
 
The mere fact this thread is allowed shows tolerance by admin. Your aim with the aid of your man friends is to create a platform to ridicule views that you and your associates hold. You can’t tolerate Muslims even though there are millions of Muslims in India - you can’t tolerate people speaking out against Modi. You want to be able to abuse religion and other members. You don’t want to have a forum to discuss - you want a forum to vindicate your one track views - and blame it on the Liberals. Pathetically transparent.

This is one of the most absurd things spoken. When the arguments are well reasoned, why should an ill reasoned argument be given any space? Opinions are mere noise pollution. I am not here to discuss about your feelings. Only truth will be discussed. if your words are nonsensical and reflects your whims then we are not the people whom you must be talking to.

If there are evil people, they will be abused. However, the reason for abusing will be given and questions regarding it will be clarified. Not abusing evil people is unacceptable
 
Being anti-Indian is anti-Indian. You cannot conveniently shaft all statements made against India into the anti-BJP column. Just as you can't stop people from voicing their opinions against left-wing lies and deceit by citing without a hint of irony: 'freedom of speech'.
Yes - you are right. Unfortunately, a significant number of people especially on social media have stopped distinguishing their Government from their nation. Everyone has the right to criticize any institution in a nation - be it the Government, the Armed Forces or the Judiciary. There is a reason why the Armed Forces have Military Police as well as Court Martial as well as Military Law .
 
Liberals in true sense are not against India. However in our country being a liberal is synonymous with leftist brigade. Left ideologically does not believe in the concept of a nation. Hence by principle they are against constitution and nation.
Their goal is uniform chaos, for they believe that from universal chaos spread uniformly, true socialism will emerge.
Nutcases. o_O
 
The mere fact this thread is allowed shows tolerance by admin. Your aim with the aid of your man friends is to create a platform to ridicule views that you and your associates hold. You can’t tolerate Muslims even though there are millions of Muslims in India - you can’t tolerate people speaking out against Modi. You want to be able to abuse religion and other members. You don’t want to have a forum to discuss - you want a forum to vindicate your one track views - and blame it on the Liberals. Pathetically transparent.

LOL!
I read that twice!

Tell us more, what he is and what he wants. :coffee:
 
Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels:whistle:

The mere fact this thread is allowed shows tolerance by admin. Your aim with the aid of your man friends is to create a platform to ridicule views that you and your associates hold. You can’t tolerate Muslims even though there are millions of Muslims in India - you can’t tolerate people speaking out against Modi. You want to be able to abuse religion and other members. You don’t want to have a forum to discuss - you want a forum to vindicate your one track views - and blame it on the Liberals. Pathetically transparent.
They always hide behind patriotism and religion.
 
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Devoid and deficient of any reason or logic, septic tank is the last refuge of a steaming pile of a liberal.:whistle:
That's too sophisticated for his understanding. Besides , he's no liberal . He's the by stander at the neighbourhood barber shop or tea stall browsing thru a newspaper.
 
First of all, every citizen has a right to air his or her views. You may not like them. A society must have space for everyone to air his or her views - ranging from left wing fruitcakes like Arundhati Roy to right wing lunatics like old man from the Karni Sena running amok on all channels. Once they cross the line and engage in violence or do fan flames which lead to violence, then they must be dealt with by the law. Being anti BJP is not being anti Indians.

That is true. Being anti BJP does not mean anti India, but politics in our country has turned a corner where political parties are not differentiated on nuances but rather by considerably different tracks they have chosen to tread.
On one hand you have self flagellating leftist cabal and on other side you have the likes of Shiv Sena. The only correct way is the middle way, the centre of right way.
Who else is there but BJP right now. One can oppose its policies but opposing BJP means supporting another party. Which party do you support and why?
 
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That's too sophisticated for his understanding. Besides , he's no liberal . He's the by stander at the neighbourhood barber shop or tea stall browsing thru a newspaper.

Actually guys like him are so predictable its boring. Pulling out senseless statements like these when you are out of logic or statements is just lame.
While we are at it, let me say that patriotism is the pinnacle of evolution of society. Scoundrels have no refuge anywhere anyway.
 
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