Why the army's changed mindset on indigenous technology is a relief

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Two very significant pitches for indigenously developed arms came from the highest levels of the Indian Army in the past week. Addressing a DRDO conference on October 15, army chief Gen. Bipin Rawat said the forces would fight and win the next war with homegrown solutions. Addressing the annual Defence Attaches' conclave four days later, Vice-Chief of Army Staff Gen. M.M. Naravane said that the army would accept indigenous technology even if they didn't meet the 'best' parameters. Improvements, he said, could be made later. In any other country, army officials endorsing home-grown technology would not have been a non-sequitur. But in the Indian context, these major endorsements signal a welcome shift in the thought process.


Indian industry officials say the army has been the slowest of the three services to embrace indigenous technology. This could also be explained by the fact that it is the least technology-intensive of the three services. The army is manpower intensive. It does not operate hundreds of fighter aircraft over vast airspaces nor does it have platforms as technologically intensive as an aircraft carrier or a nuclear-powered submarine. Army testing procedures are rigorous and trials of critically required equipment like bulletproof jackets often go on for years without achieving results. The navy has worked closely with the DRDO to perfect indigenous sonars. The army can only claim a handful of successful collaborations such as the Dhanush which fielded an indigenous 155 mm howitzer from blueprints supplied by Bofors in the 1980s. Three critical systems-the Tactical Communications System (TCS), Battlefield Management Systems (BMS) and the Future Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV) have been on for over a decade without a prototype in sight.


But right now, the 1.3 million-man Indian army, the world's second largest, is looking at a budgetary wall. The army accounts for over half the total defence budget but spends 80 per cent of its share on salaries and running costs. Defence budgets are unlikely to rise for it to be able to fill all its equipment voids. The indigenisation route may be the only way around this.


In recent years, the army has embarked on what could only be called Quixotic pursuits. A bizarre contest to buy a multi-caliber rifle-a single rifle firing two different types of ammunition-was scrapped after seven long years. Last year, it shut down a BMS project that would seamlessly link all its fighting formations, citing high project costs.


Yet, nothing compares in the scale of neglect to the army's now-shelved Beta battle computer project. The Kargil War of 1999 exposed how little the infantryman's kit had changed since the 1971 war. Project Beta, flagged off in 2003, then, seemed astonishingly ahead of its time by army standards.


Among the early projects initiated by the Army Technology Board, the aim was for every soldier to field a hand-held computer. It was the army's leap into the digital battlefield of the future, bringing the Indian soldier on par with counterparts in the US and Israel who were racing to develop the same capability.


Project Beta's hand-held or body-worn PDA would enhance a soldier's situational awareness in the battlefield by answering three basic questions: where am I, where is the enemy, and where are my comrades?


The answers would blip on the screen of a hand-held device, rugged-proofed for military use. The device was meant to equip infantry companies (100 or more soldiers) engaged in counter-insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir.


The project combined the expertise of Bengaluru's IT industry with academia, defence scientists along with end-users. Bengaluru-based Encore software collaborated with the Indian Institute of Science (IISc) and the DRDO. The Indian Army's Directorate General of Information Systems worked as co-developers and end-users on the project. "It was a unique partnership and it would have been a fantastic base for us to build on for the army's future projects," says Colonel D.P.K. Pillay (retired) who coordinated Project Beta at Army HQ, New Delhi.


By 2005, the team had produced an integrated battlefield computer that would allow a soldier to pinpoint his exact location on a Geographical Information System (GIS) powered map, allow friendly troops to see his position on their screens and allow communication between them. The Situational Awareness and Tactical Handheld Interface (SATHI) packed a lot into an 875-gram rugged set that was smaller than a brick. The solar-powered PDA ran on a 128-bit encrypted system, a Linux programme and was capable of withstanding temperatures between -20 degrees C to + 70 C. It had a 5 km range and a GPS receiver-with a 24 hour battery life. It supported both voice and text for devices deployed in the mission area. Its software-controlled radio allowed regular updates of device positions, messages and map markings over the entire network, directly, or by relay. The password-protected device, its manufacturers say, could even act as a decoy if it fell into enemy hands. If unauthorised attempts were made to log in, the unit could actually reveal the position of the person attempting the break-in to friendly troops.

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A prototype of the indigenously developed hand-held computer 'Sathi' shelved by the army in 2008.


When the first 120 units were tested, it was a formidable game-changer. Infantry closing in on the enemy knew their location and those of friendly forces in real time. Troop movements could be monitored by commanders on a laptop several kilometres away. Each Sathi unit theoretically had unlimited range because each unit acted as a relay station, bouncing signals to the next unit and thus doing away with the need to erect signal relay stations to boost range. The system was successfully demonstrated to President A.P.J Abdul Kalam. The developers drew up plans for a series of devices using the same core and operating systems which could scale up the Sathi's capabilities and be used by decision-makers up the command chain.


In 2008, a proposal for a second batch of 1,300 Beta-2 devices came up before the Army Technology Board for funding approval. The project team wanted to test it across a wider area. That's when the army pulled the plug on the project. The decision took the project team by surprise. It was almost inexplicable, says one officer who worked on the project. "We don't need to reinvent the wheel," a three-star officer who headed the army's Information Systems (IS), reportedly told the project team when they protested. Project Beta was closed down. The Sathis already manufactured were consigned to the almirahs in the office of the D-G, IS. It was a move that would have delighted the dozens of foreign equipment manufacturers who are now offering their own solutions to the Indian Army.


Cut to 2019. The army still does not have a hand-held computer. Special forces operatives crawling up on the enemy at the Line of Control have no way of knowing where their comrades are at. Infantrymen engaged in combing operations operate just as they would do several years ago--through radio, mobile phone or hand signals. The Sathi project remains a wistful reminder of what might have been.


Could the project be revived? Quite easily, says Colonel K.P.M. Das (retired) who worked on the project and is now with Cisco Systems. "The technology has gone through four or five cycles since then, with the result that today's start point can be achieved in a matter of months. A Sathi for 2020 can do a hundred times more than what it did 15 years ago and a large number of military-grade systems can be fielded in a year." A resurrected Sathi could well be the biggest statement of the army's indigenisation intent.



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Why the army's changed mindset on indigenous technology is a relief
 
Two very significant pitches for indigenously developed arms came from the highest levels of the Indian Army in the past week. Addressing a DRDO conference on October 15, army chief Gen. Bipin Rawat said the forces would fight and win the next war with homegrown solutions. Addressing the annual Defence Attaches' conclave four days later, Vice-Chief of Army Staff Gen. M.M. Naravane said that the army would accept indigenous technology even if they didn't meet the 'best' parameters. Improvements, he said, could be made later. In any other country, army officials endorsing home-grown technology would not have been a non-sequitur. But in the Indian context, these major endorsements signal a welcome shift in the thought process.


Indian industry officials say the army has been the slowest of the three services to embrace indigenous technology. This could also be explained by the fact that it is the least technology-intensive of the three services. The army is manpower intensive. It does not operate hundreds of fighter aircraft over vast airspaces nor does it have platforms as technologically intensive as an aircraft carrier or a nuclear-powered submarine. Army testing procedures are rigorous and trials of critically required equipment like bulletproof jackets often go on for years without achieving results. The navy has worked closely with the DRDO to perfect indigenous sonars. The army can only claim a handful of successful collaborations such as the Dhanush which fielded an indigenous 155 mm howitzer from blueprints supplied by Bofors in the 1980s. Three critical systems-the Tactical Communications System (TCS), Battlefield Management Systems (BMS) and the Future Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV) have been on for over a decade without a prototype in sight.


But right now, the 1.3 million-man Indian army, the world's second largest, is looking at a budgetary wall. The army accounts for over half the total defence budget but spends 80 per cent of its share on salaries and running costs. Defence budgets are unlikely to rise for it to be able to fill all its equipment voids. The indigenisation route may be the only way around this.


In recent years, the army has embarked on what could only be called Quixotic pursuits. A bizarre contest to buy a multi-caliber rifle-a single rifle firing two different types of ammunition-was scrapped after seven long years. Last year, it shut down a BMS project that would seamlessly link all its fighting formations, citing high project costs.


Yet, nothing compares in the scale of neglect to the army's now-shelved Beta battle computer project. The Kargil War of 1999 exposed how little the infantryman's kit had changed since the 1971 war. Project Beta, flagged off in 2003, then, seemed astonishingly ahead of its time by army standards.


Among the early projects initiated by the Army Technology Board, the aim was for every soldier to field a hand-held computer. It was the army's leap into the digital battlefield of the future, bringing the Indian soldier on par with counterparts in the US and Israel who were racing to develop the same capability.


Project Beta's hand-held or body-worn PDA would enhance a soldier's situational awareness in the battlefield by answering three basic questions: where am I, where is the enemy, and where are my comrades?


The answers would blip on the screen of a hand-held device, rugged-proofed for military use. The device was meant to equip infantry companies (100 or more soldiers) engaged in counter-insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir.


The project combined the expertise of Bengaluru's IT industry with academia, defence scientists along with end-users. Bengaluru-based Encore software collaborated with the Indian Institute of Science (IISc) and the DRDO. The Indian Army's Directorate General of Information Systems worked as co-developers and end-users on the project. "It was a unique partnership and it would have been a fantastic base for us to build on for the army's future projects," says Colonel D.P.K. Pillay (retired) who coordinated Project Beta at Army HQ, New Delhi.


By 2005, the team had produced an integrated battlefield computer that would allow a soldier to pinpoint his exact location on a Geographical Information System (GIS) powered map, allow friendly troops to see his position on their screens and allow communication between them. The Situational Awareness and Tactical Handheld Interface (SATHI) packed a lot into an 875-gram rugged set that was smaller than a brick. The solar-powered PDA ran on a 128-bit encrypted system, a Linux programme and was capable of withstanding temperatures between -20 degrees C to + 70 C. It had a 5 km range and a GPS receiver-with a 24 hour battery life. It supported both voice and text for devices deployed in the mission area. Its software-controlled radio allowed regular updates of device positions, messages and map markings over the entire network, directly, or by relay. The password-protected device, its manufacturers say, could even act as a decoy if it fell into enemy hands. If unauthorised attempts were made to log in, the unit could actually reveal the position of the person attempting the break-in to friendly troops.

Sathi-x662.JPG

A prototype of the indigenously developed hand-held computer 'Sathi' shelved by the army in 2008.


When the first 120 units were tested, it was a formidable game-changer. Infantry closing in on the enemy knew their location and those of friendly forces in real time. Troop movements could be monitored by commanders on a laptop several kilometres away. Each Sathi unit theoretically had unlimited range because each unit acted as a relay station, bouncing signals to the next unit and thus doing away with the need to erect signal relay stations to boost range. The system was successfully demonstrated to President A.P.J Abdul Kalam. The developers drew up plans for a series of devices using the same core and operating systems which could scale up the Sathi's capabilities and be used by decision-makers up the command chain.


In 2008, a proposal for a second batch of 1,300 Beta-2 devices came up before the Army Technology Board for funding approval. The project team wanted to test it across a wider area. That's when the army pulled the plug on the project. The decision took the project team by surprise. It was almost inexplicable, says one officer who worked on the project. "We don't need to reinvent the wheel," a three-star officer who headed the army's Information Systems (IS), reportedly told the project team when they protested. Project Beta was closed down. The Sathis already manufactured were consigned to the almirahs in the office of the D-G, IS. It was a move that would have delighted the dozens of foreign equipment manufacturers who are now offering their own solutions to the Indian Army.


Cut to 2019. The army still does not have a hand-held computer. Special forces operatives crawling up on the enemy at the Line of Control have no way of knowing where their comrades are at. Infantrymen engaged in combing operations operate just as they would do several years ago--through radio, mobile phone or hand signals. The Sathi project remains a wistful reminder of what might have been.


Could the project be revived? Quite easily, says Colonel K.P.M. Das (retired) who worked on the project and is now with Cisco Systems. "The technology has gone through four or five cycles since then, with the result that today's start point can be achieved in a matter of months. A Sathi for 2020 can do a hundred times more than what it did 15 years ago and a large number of military-grade systems can be fielded in a year." A resurrected Sathi could well be the biggest statement of the army's indigenisation intent.



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Why the army's changed mindset on indigenous technology is a relief
Good initiative, but given the day and age, the relative position of troops is needed more by the squad leader than the mission planning commanders sitting kilometres away and instead of the system being on a PDA, it needs to be on a Helmet mounted HUD, nevertheless a very good start.
 
This is a complete failure of an article. Although nothing in it is not untrue, but the premise of the article gives an entirely wrong impression about the army.

No, the army is not choosing cheaper desi products because they now have to deal with a smaller budget. They are choosing desi products because DRDO and the overall Indian MIC are finally making stuff that works. If affordability was an issue, then the forces would simply import the same thing in lesser numbers over a longer period of time. Case in point, the Rafale. So requirements are supreme, not the budget.

And then, all this talk of BMS, TCS etc, it's ridiculous to even have been considered it to be in an article that is talking about budget woes and desi products. The very requirement of the armed forces is to indigenise anything to do with radar, communication and EW. That's why even the sonar is indigenous, so is the MKI's EW suite etc. That's also why we have our own AWACS program, along with our own STAR program, even though we can induct top notch stuff for both from America. And naturally, we want indigenous satellites as well, which we already do. This has nothing to do with budget or a sudden interest in desi products, this was always the plan since the 80s.

So, although the content of the article is solid, all it does is show the forces in a poor light.
 
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Kaahe dimaag dukhhaa rahe ho.
This is what happens when an incurable optimist attempts being realistic. 2 negatives even in grammar render a positive. The first time I've seen a triple negative render a positive. Only @randomradio could pull that off.
 
This is a complete failure of an article. Although nothing in it is not untrue, but the premise of the article gives an entirely wrong impression about the army.

No, the army is not choosing cheaper desi products because they now have to deal with a smaller budget. They are choosing desi products because DRDO and the overall Indian MIC are finally making stuff that works. If affordability was an issue, then the forces would simply import the same thing in lesser numbers over a longer period of time. Case in point, the Rafale. So requirements are supreme, not the budget.

And then, all this talk of BMS, TCS etc, it's ridiculous to even have been considered it to be in an article that is talking about budget woes and desi products. The very requirement of the armed forces is to indigenise anything to do with radar, communication and EW. That's why even the sonar is indigenous, so is the MKI's EW suite etc. That's also why we have our own AWACS program, along with our own STAR program, even though we can induct top notch stuff for both from America. And naturally, we want indigenous satellites as well, which we already do. This has nothing to do with budget or a sudden interest in desi products, this was always the plan since the 80s.

So, although the content of the article is solid, all it does is show the forces in a poor light.
why dont you just keep to topic and focus on army ? why do you want to drag in AWACS , Sonar, MKI's...etc ?


On the topic , I am even surprised that army attempted to have such a capability. Would have been happy if they focus on arming the infantry soldier with better firepower & protection , even more & better NVD's would have been great. As a matter of fact until recently they dint even have better sniper rifles. I wish they get the basics right before they go for bells & whistles.
 
I hope Indian army works to get out of this 20h century mindset and adopts more technology-centric combat systems.
Few things I would love to see the army adopt:
>Automated turrets at forwarding posts
>Rotary drones capable of dropping incendiary bomblets for counter-insurgency
>A.I Kamakazi drones for cross border actions
>Very Short-range Surface to Surface missile system for Cross border actions
>20mm autocannons at forwarding posts
>Dedicated Light arty brigade for LOC
>UAV Laser Designators and Laser guided 120mm mortar shells
 
Automated turrets at forwarding posts
Yes. Ask the Israelis for help with this if we can't make it ourselves. Putting something like a AK630 cannon on the border posts would help, though it might be costly. Even a 20 mm auto cannon can work just fine.
A.I Kamakazi drones for cross border actions
We do have kamikaze drones in use today. Not AI enabled and doesn't have swarming capabilities. Though the CATS project might give us something like that.
Very Short-range Surface to Surface missile system for Cross border actions
MANPADs ?
Dedicated Light arty brigade for LOC
Don't we have this already ? Who does arty firings on the border ?
Rotary drones capable of dropping incendiary bomblets for counter-insurgency
DRDO is working on drones capable of dropping grenades.
UAV Laser Designators
We might already have this on some of our drones.
Laser guided 120mm mortar shells
Don't know about laser guided shells but, just like the arty, the mortar space in India is about to under go some changes. In the last defexpo we've had this :

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Appearently Kalyani defence has put out a automated 120mm mortar mounted on a TATA LPTA 713 army transporter. It does seem to have ballistic calculators or enhance precision.

Also the OFB has a new upgraded light weight mortar for infantry troops to carry around :
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Don't remember the caliber of this though.
 
I hope Indian army works to get out of this 20h century mindset and adopts more technology-centric combat systems.
Few things I would love to see the army adopt:
>Automated turrets at forwarding posts
>Rotary drones capable of dropping incendiary bomblets for counter-insurgency
>A.I Kamakazi drones for cross border actions
>Very Short-range Surface to Surface missile system for Cross border actions
>20mm autocannons at forwarding posts
>Dedicated Light arty brigade for LOC
>UAV Laser Designators and Laser guided 120mm mortar shells

Pretty much all of those are already deployed.
 
Pretty much all of those are already deployed.
>I haven't heard of automated turrets mounted, I have seen boxfed Bren's still in use.
I> haven't seen rotary combat drones
>Kamakaze drones are the Harop, hopefully will see them in large numbers.
>I do not think IA has a Short range Surface to Surface missile for Border action, I would like to see a DPICM missile with <10KM range deployed for the army to be called in with a laser designator.
Which 20mm autocannon is in use by IA.?
@Falcon can confirm this but, only three detachments have an Arty Brigade attached to them.
8th Mountain Division headquartered at Dras
28th Infantry Division headquartered at Gurez
39th Infantry Division headquartered at Yol
So to my knowledge, there isn't a Full Arty Division that is supporting all LOC posts across the board.
>I don't think we have Unmanned Aerial laser designators deployed, We might have laser-guided ATGM's that we utilize for border exchange but it's still a soldier that is illuminating the target on the ground and guiding the missile. I would love to see that being operated from UAV with the field officer being able to direct indirect fire to his chosen location in realtime.
 
MANPADs ?
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No Surface to Surface, I think in the context of India there is a niche market for very short-range missile flat trajectory missile with a 250 KG DPICM bomblets dispersion type warhead. Something in theory similar to Jericho missile from Ironman but a bit more realistic.
 
>Automated turrets at forwarding posts

There's some Israeli stuff out there. Even DRDO has made some of this stuff.

>Rotary drones capable of dropping incendiary bomblets for counter-insurgency

Stuff that flies have not been cleared for use against terrorists.

>A.I Kamakazi drones for cross border actions

Stuff like the Harop and Delilah, but used against conventional targets.

>Very Short-range Surface to Surface missile system for Cross border actions

Just the other day, @Falcon was talking about using Nimrods at the LoC. We also use other ATGMs there.

>20mm autocannons at forwarding posts

We have battle tanks at some posts with 100mm guns. Speculating, but I bet we are using some BMPs with 30mm as well.

>Dedicated Light arty brigade for LOC

We already operate mortars. And we have deployed heavy artillery. So why light artillery?

Dunno what you mean "dedicated" since we have an entire corps in the region. And the corps there have their own artillery already.

>UAV Laser Designators and Laser guided 120mm mortar shells

Already been using similar stuff for years now.
 
No Surface to Surface, I think in the context of India there is a niche market for very short-range missile flat trajectory missile with a 250 KG DPICM bomblets dispersion type warhead. Something in theory similar to Jericho missile from Ironman but a bit more realistic.
Will this do ?

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Pinaka missile was experimented with to develop it further for anti armour use. The initial warhead options were pre-fragmented and incendiary. Later a Restricted High Explosive(RHE) option was added. Around early 2010, DRDO research papers had details about use of remote delivery sub-munitions type warhead for Pinaka. The photo above is from one such paper. The pic on the left is a schematic view of how the warhead would deploy the sub munitions and the right side pic shows one of the early prototypes of 2 sub-munitions of different sizes.

Then began the experimentation with Explosively Formed Penetrators/shaped charge warheads etc.. Here are some of the many photos out there :
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As our expertise at EFP grew so did our ideas on how to deploy them against enemy. But that's for a later post.

Meanwhile around 2015 there was a interesting tender. It was for Vane type Parachute system Type A as per spec. no. ARDE/Pinaka/Parachute/01/2015 as per list 3. It was supposed to be used on Pinaka Mk2 to deliver "remotely delivered munitions". Link seems to have expired as the tender was closed.

The parachute to be procured was designed by the Aerial Delivery Research & Development Establishment(ADRDE), Agra. The design was based on the Parachute Tactical Assault-High Speed(PTA-HS) design. Just a much smaller simpler version of the same . The design would be handed over to private industry under full ToT for them to mass manufacture it. This is what the original design looks like :

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The Pinaka Mk2 has been tested quite a few times in the subsequent years. It was tested in 2016, 17, 18 and 19. Noting more has been heard of this warhead after 2015. But given DRDO's expertise on rocketry I'll wager they will develop it successfully, if they haven't done so already.

As for its current status, I reckon it is still under testing. But your guess is as good as mine.

@Ashwin @nair @BlackOpsIndia please move this conversation to this thread :

Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion
 
As technology of any kind hits a critical mass it starts to proliferate out of its original use to other areas. Same was the case with EFP. It was initially meant for anti armour use, it has now gone beyond that.

EFP for off route mine :

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Multi-EFP Based Warheads :

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Some were found to be better at anti air use than conventional warheads :

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Onto underwater warfare :

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