Analysis Does India have 3 SSBNs?

Here's 2015 article clearly stating fabrication of 2n & 3rd hull in full swing and ins Aridhaman out for fitment. Then where did it go?
Construction in full-swing on India's 2nd and 3rd Nuclear Submarine — Indian Defence Update

Construction in full-swing on India’s 2nd and 3rd Nuclear Submarine
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India’s second nuclear powered submarine, INS Aridhaman is being readied for launch as her elder sibbling INS Arihant is being readied for commissioning.

Both submarines are designed to carry Nuclear Missiles. Built under the Advanced Technology Vessel Project, the Aridhaman is being outfitted as the Ship Building Centre in Vizag and is expected to be launched in the third quarter of 2016.

INS Arihant’s harbour and deep sea dives have been successful and the submarine that can carry 750-km range ballistic missiles is ready to be commissioned in early 2016 and showcased to the world during the International Fleet Review (IFR) to be held in Visakhapatnam from February 4. According to the original schedule, INS Arihant which was ceremonially launched on July 26, 2009 was supposed to go for sea trials in 2010 and be inducted by 2011.

“As soon as the Arihant is commissioned the focus will be on the second submarine. The hull fabrication of the third Arihant-class submarine has also been completed,” said a Navy source. If everything goes as per schedule, INS Aridhaman after clearing trials will join the Indian Navy by 2018-end, he said.

The Arihant Class of Submarines are based on the design of Russian Akula class vessels.



India will be having a fleet of following numbers of Nuclear Submarines in near future :
4 SSBN’s of Arihant Class + S5 SSBN’s apart from 6 new SSN’s + INS Chakra and 1 more to be leased from Russia

INS Varsha Naval Base ::

Also the work on INS Varsha is on full swing according to recent satellite images. INS Varsha is a new naval base being developed under Project Varsha for the Indian Navy. This base will be the home of the navy’s new fleet of nuclear submarines and ships. It is designed to support the fleet of 8-12 nuclear-powered ballistic missile and attack submarines to be built for the Indian Navy. It will also have underground pens to hide the submarines from spy satellites and protect them from enemy air attacks.
Exactly my point. space is being cleared for two submarines by launching arighat doesn't make sense until another one was launched prior to arighat.
 
Here's 2015 article clearly stating fabrication of 2n & 3rd hull in full swing and ins Aridhaman out for fitment. Then where did it go?
Construction in full-swing on India's 2nd and 3rd Nuclear Submarine — Indian Defence Update

Construction in full-swing on India’s 2nd and 3rd Nuclear Submarine
Ins arihant

India’s second nuclear powered submarine, INS Aridhaman is being readied for launch as her elder sibbling INS Arihant is being readied for commissioning.

Both submarines are designed to carry Nuclear Missiles. Built under the Advanced Technology Vessel Project, the Aridhaman is being outfitted as the Ship Building Centre in Vizag and is expected to be launched in the third quarter of 2016.

INS Arihant’s harbour and deep sea dives have been successful and the submarine that can carry 750-km range ballistic missiles is ready to be commissioned in early 2016 and showcased to the world during the International Fleet Review (IFR) to be held in Visakhapatnam from February 4. According to the original schedule, INS Arihant which was ceremonially launched on July 26, 2009 was supposed to go for sea trials in 2010 and be inducted by 2011.

“As soon as the Arihant is commissioned the focus will be on the second submarine. The hull fabrication of the third Arihant-class submarine has also been completed,” said a Navy source. If everything goes as per schedule, INS Aridhaman after clearing trials will join the Indian Navy by 2018-end, he said.

The Arihant Class of Submarines are based on the design of Russian Akula class vessels.



India will be having a fleet of following numbers of Nuclear Submarines in near future :
4 SSBN’s of Arihant Class + S5 SSBN’s apart from 6 new SSN’s + INS Chakra and 1 more to be leased from Russia

INS Varsha Naval Base ::

Also the work on INS Varsha is on full swing according to recent satellite images. INS Varsha is a new naval base being developed under Project Varsha for the Indian Navy. This base will be the home of the navy’s new fleet of nuclear submarines and ships. It is designed to support the fleet of 8-12 nuclear-powered ballistic missile and attack submarines to be built for the Indian Navy. It will also have underground pens to hide the submarines from spy satellites and protect them from enemy air attacks.
We have 3 SSBN, the question is the capability of the later two, do they have 150 MW reactor because even Arihant can not deliver promised speed with 83 MW reactor(considering 5/6 mw to 1mw shaft power).
 
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Makes sense, After INS Arihant, for years we had heard about the next SSBN being INS Aridhaman. All of a sudden we get the news hearing the next Submarine is INS Arighat ?

-INS Arihant was launched in 2009, It simply does not take 9 years for us to build the second sub of the same class.
-It makes little sense we would send our sole Nuclear Sub to Isreal, unless we had a second one already prowling under water in deterrence roles.

And a question, 10 months in dock to drain out water ? that is a really REALLY bad cover story if there ever was one.

Indian Nuclear Submarine Plans: New S5 Class Submarines is Coming? — Indian Defence Update

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India’s Nuclear Submarine Plans and has confirmed that INS Aridhaman which will be India’s Second Ballistic Missile Submarine will be stretched Arihant Class ship which has double the Missile carrying capabilities. Unnithan also confirms that Indian Navy already has started working on the successor of Aridhaman Ballistic Missile Class Submarine at least a decade ago
 
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I opt not to answer you on this. Please understand the reason.
Thanks for telling me that, I can guess now what we have, after more deeper analysis over number (a period of 10 years of articles), I was wondering why suddenly few links started disappearing in last 6 months, can guess the reason now, few things should be secret, but I feel happy that we have a way to go for 4th generation nuclear reactors now that too for S5 SSBN, not sure if we are still seeking Russia help or we ourselves can do it as just scaling up is not the only thing needed in 4th gen reactor, hope BARC is fully on it. thanks vstol.
 
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Thanks for telling me that, I can guess now what we have, after more deeper analysis over number (a period of 10 years of articles), I was wondering why suddenly few links started disappearing in last 6 months, can guess the reason now, few things should be secret, but I feel happy that we have a way to go for 4th generation nuclear reactors now that too for S5 SSBN, not sure if we are still seeking Russia help or we ourselves can do it as just scaling up is not the only thing needed in 4th gen reactor, hope BARC is fully on it. thanks vstol.
I think it's better to not disclose critical defence project publicly but just show few glimpse only and let enemy be guessing always. It's also a good strategy of deterrence.
 
Officially, India is constructing 2 SSBNs. And officially both submarine are of same design, same class, and same number of silos. That means 111 meter boomer. But when I was doing some research regarding this, I found an enormous anomaly in this argument.

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Sat Image of Vizag ( Dec 2017)

But when I calculated the length of visible part(using google earth) of submarine, I found a very interesting thing. View attachment 1200

The submarine found to be length of 140 meters. If we add approx 5 meters for non visible part (upto propellers), the total length of submarine is found to be 145 meters.

Surprised to this I contacted my own source, and confronted him with this sat image. It took me 3 hours of sweet talks to get the truth, he said "I can only tell INS Aridhman is indeed 111 meters and not an inch more than that."

If we accept this theory, then what about this submarine which is might be undergoing trials in Vizag. Then question come into mind that this is the 3rd boomer? We all need to ask this question.
how did you got the december 2017 satellite image?? icould not able to find out in the google earth or map
 
Consider the news of akula accident.... and another rumour of arihants accident..... IN is clearly creating confusion....

Now I believe that even Akula Accident was too a planted one and so was the news of Americans getting Access to Akula, which is neither in India's or Russia's interest. To be honest I have even read that Russian and Indian Navy actually use common Kilo class subs to avoid identity and create confusion among US and Chinese navies whether it is Russian or Indian Sub.

Russians are actually happy to provide access to Akulas and they want India Navy to add more Akulas and Subs based on their technology to create more confusion about the Nuke Subs too that's the reason they are offering Second Akula Sub too.....

If we look at original plan there was a provision to lease 2 Akulas in 2004-5 itself Nerpa & Irbis of which we got only Nerpa or is it we have 2 Akulas too?
 
Officially, India is constructing 2 SSBNs. And officially both submarine are of same design, same class, and same number of silos. That means 111 meter boomer. But when I was doing some research regarding this, I found an enormous anomaly in this argument.

View attachment 1199
Sat Image of Vizag ( Dec 2017)

But when I calculated the length of visible part(using google earth) of submarine, I found a very interesting thing. View attachment 1200

The submarine found to be length of 140 meters. If we add approx 5 meters for non visible part (upto propellers), the total length of submarine is found to be 145 meters.

Surprised to this I contacted my own source, and confronted him with this sat image. It took me 3 hours of sweet talks to get the truth, he said "I can only tell INS Aridhman is indeed 111 meters and not an inch more than that."

If we accept this theory, then what about this submarine which is might be undergoing trials in Vizag. Then question come into mind that this is the 3rd boomer? We all need to ask this question.

Hi arpit
I checked with the image and i did some home work with google earth image and terraserver image.... and i scaled it in acad and checked the dimensions....
its coming differently its not 145 meter its showing less than 100 meters.... kindly check the attached imagevizag google earth 3.jpgvizag google earth 4.jpgvizag 1.jpg
 
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Source-based news on Indian SSBN Program

1. 3 SSBN are confirmed with 1 more under the active mode of fittment.
2. Will see get the 4th within 18-24 months in water
3. Arihant and Arighat is more than 4 VLS cells (wont confirm the number but more than 4 for sure)
4. Aridhaman is more than 8 VLS cells as well (wont confirm the number but more than 8 for sure)
5. Couple of tests of K-15 from submarine launch done as well (you wont get the video ever or a official confirmation)
6. One test of a depressed trajectory K4 done as well (from the submarine - again no confirmation ever)
7. These tests are not ejection tests . Its a full fledged operational test of the SLBM
8 4+ months long operational deployment of Arihant done multiple times in busy SLOCs too.

Next up is K5 or extended version of K4 test planned soon as well

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Officially, India is constructing 2 SSBNs. And officially both submarine are of same design, same class, and same number of silos. That means 111 meter boomer. But when I was doing some research regarding this, I found an enormous anomaly in this argument.

View attachment 1199
Sat Image of Vizag ( Dec 2017)

But when I calculated the length of visible part(using google earth) of submarine, I found a very interesting thing. View attachment 1200

The submarine found to be length of 140 meters. If we add approx 5 meters for non visible part (upto propellers), the total length of submarine is found to be 145 meters.

Surprised to this I contacted my own source, and confronted him with this sat image. It took me 3 hours of sweet talks to get the truth, he said "I can only tell INS Aridhman is indeed 111 meters and not an inch more than that."

If we accept this theory, then what about this submarine which is might be undergoing trials in Vizag. Then question come into mind that this is the 3rd boomer? We all need to ask this question.

The width of the shed is not adjustable whereas the length of the platform is adjustable. So, I have calculated the width of the shed as 43.3 metre using google map as shown below:

Google Map measurement:

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Now I am using that as a standard and the comparing the ratio of the width of the shed with the length of visible part of submarine with the help of a scale on my computer screen. You can try this too on your computer screen with a scale:

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The ratio is 2.3. The absolute measurements are irrelevant as the zoom of the picture can be adjusted. Now, the length of submarine (visible parts) = 43.3x2.3 100 metres. So, with underwater components, the total length comes to the same as Arihant. You can try this jugaad right now using a scale and verify it yourself.

So, this submarine was indeed 111 metre long
 
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Have answered this on the old forum 2 years back although most people didn't believe it then, repeating again for the ones who weren't there.

S2 and S3 : 4 Silos (2015: S2 under active trials, S3 undergoing minor rework in multiple sections as per findings from S2 trials)

S4: 8 Silos (2016: 90% of hull fabrication completed, awaiting reactor and Missile compartment fitment)

Future Subs: No clue

Free to figure the rest or consider it as wrong info. No further info to provide.

Good Day!